i got some hypodermic needles last year from some guys, but i need to buy more, and i don't know where they got them from.... does anyone know where to buy them at? thanks for the help, derrek
Tractor supply company
Perhaps if you know a diabetic on insulin you could get some from him.
Try CVS or Rite Aid. I imagine the employees could show you. I got mine from my diabetic in-law.
Pat
Hollywood and Vine.
That right there is funny.
I was driving down on 8 Mile last night at about 2 A.M. after finishing some work at a customer's factory. I think I saw some on the ground.
I got mine from a freind who is a paramedic. They are 18 gauge needles. That is what I was told to use. If you use the ones that diabetetics use they are 2 small. Thats what I was told anyway.
If you need some, let me know.
Potter
Potter - do you have bulk 18 guage - 1.5" needles?
Would someone please explain, with details even my partner could understand, how you go about this fizzing deal? When? Where? What are you trying to accomplish? Which ones?
Thanks
Fizzing is one way to relieve internal pressure on bass caught deep and quickly brought to the surface - kind of like the bends. The bass uses its air bladder to help with neutral buoyancy in the water.
The deeper a bass goes, the more pressure put on the body and air in the body. The bladder is compressed in deeper water, but any gas brought to a higher elevation will expand. The expansion can be explosive - why the bladder will pop right out of the throat on some fish caught deep.
Every 33 feet of water approximately, the pressure doubles compared to that of sea level or approximately at ground level. At sea level, we are at 1 Atmosphere (A), the pressure of the air column above us pushing down on our body. At 33 feet below water, pressure doubles to 2A. At 66 feet, pressure triples to 3A.
The bass transfers air into and out of its air bladder through microscopic means, not by gulping or burping like a few primitive fish can, so it takes sometimes hours for a bass to adjust its air bladder and therefore its buoyancy.
A bass cannot deal with a rapidly expanded bladder that stays expanded when we put it in our livewell at the surface after bringing it out of deep water. Enough expansion in the bladder - usually from deeper than 30 feet, and the pressure over and hour or less, can cause irrepairable internal damage to a bass. The stress from the rest of the experience for a bass along with a moderately expanded bladder might be enough kill some bass soon, or possibly later after release.
If properly trained with the right equipment, a needle can be inserted into the air bladder to release some of the excess pressure to allow the bass to attain a more normal buoyancy so pressure on internal organs is relieved and the bass may be less stressed by being able to sit upright lower in the livewell.
Obviously, the best thing (if we are going to catch them deep) is fight them to the boat in a manner that does not completely wear them out, and then release them so they can immediately return to the deeper water with enough strength to stay there and recompress their bladder.
In a tournament, fizzing may be the next bess option to fish caught deep, but it has to be done right away and correctly to have the best outcome. One thing, just like humans, don't use a shared needle or you may pass along disease doing more harm than good.
One study showed that walleye that were fizzed actually had a much higher post release die off rate than unfizzed walleye, but I have found no such similar study on bass. Actually, I haven't found a lot of really good study results yet. It needs to be looked at more.
I do have reservations about fizzing bass at the weighins since the weighmaster doesn't really know which bass were caught deep; may be using the same needle over and over; and by then, a bass caught more than an hour ago may not get any benefit from fizzing - any damage would already have been done; doing a lot of fizzing in a hurry may cause too much air to be removed whereby a weak bass will just sink to the bottom and probably die on the bottom.
You really need to be shown by someone who really knows what they are doing, preferably trained by a biologist. You need to only fizz bass caught real deep that appear to be unable to roll upright, and float at the surface, looking bloated.
I do have plans to get ahold of the best diagrams I can along with gudelines and post a document here, just not sure yet when I will be able to do it. There are such documents already on the web if you search. Don Iovino sells his own kit with instructions.
I'm still looking Dan!
We need to bring this topic back to life!
Having never "fizzed" before it seems like we should all know how to do it properly and how to ID what fish truly need it.
We need to keep the big "deep" Smallies in the gene pool!
Here are some links I found, most important thing I noticed is how important it is not to squeeze too much air out.
http://www.bassresource.com/fishing/diagram.htm (http://www.bassresource.com/fishing/diagram.htm)
http://www.michiganbass.net/images/buttons/deepbass.pdf (http://www.michiganbass.net/images/buttons/deepbass.pdf)
http://www.bassresource.com/fishing/fish6.html (http://www.bassresource.com/fishing/fish6.html)
Duane (and where can 18 guage 2"-2 1/2" needles be bought?)
18 ga. 1 1/2 needle is the way to go. My wife has a horse (that's why I can go fishing all the time) and I have her pick them up at the feed store. They are pretty cheap if you buy them that way
I've been fizzing for several years now. I'll be glad to show anybody in person how to do it.
Vic
Everything I have been reading says don't fizz.....Just weight the fish down so they stay upright...(alligator clips with weights to the pectoral fins).
I am new and have never been in a situation where I have had to Fizz, but I did do a lot of reading on it over the winter, so now I am basically confused on what to do. There seems to be alot of contradictory information out there.
I agree the information in contradictory. For example you never hear them mention fizzing on any of the televised BASS or FLW tournament shows (or at least I've never heard it). I always wonder why especially when the fisherman says he caught them deep. Nor do I recall any instructional fishing shows talking or educating people about it either. I often wonder if they intentionally omit that stuff so not to cause an uproar from animal activists who already think fishing alone is bad enough. When you are trying to really grow a sport like this that is the kind of bad press you don't want. Just a thought.
-Gary
Well I plan on doing some deep water exploration for some monster smallies, and would like to know how to fizz them in case needed in a tourney. We caught a largie at the BBT that was mouth hooked, no blood, and still turned upside down in the livewell. He was caught in about 20 ft of water, so not sure if this was the cause or not. Someone help me out please.
I had a conversation with one of the release boat guys at a Stren series event a couple of years back at Elizabeth Park. I asked him about fizzing and his response was, "No need. We just put the ones on the top of the tank in a basket, lower it down to about 20 feet and when the bubbles stop, we bring them up and let them swim off."
For obvious reasons, I don't think carrying a basket with rope on it would be a good idea for a tourney angler. :D
You can get enough depth with a long-handled net to release a good amount of the pressure. You can also attach a rope to the net pole to get a little more depth. I've done this with walleyes and smallies and it works pretty slick. They float upright and swim away.
For tourneys without release boats, fizzing's probably the way to go, though. It's one of those things I've got to learn too.
While we're on the subject, I ran across this article today with a new technique I might try:
http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/gonefishin/2007/05/got_a_release_m.html (http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/gonefishin/2007/05/got_a_release_m.html)
Jav that has to be the case because he was upside down within 5 min, and I believe 20 ft is deep enough.
T
Tractor Supply Co. has them. Buy a bunch and use one per fish to prevent any virus spread. Wipe down with alcohol or heat up with a lighter to sterilize them after the tournament. I am not a medical professional, but I think this should reduce the risk of spreading any diseases.
The only problem I have found with fizzing is the angle of insertion seems to be different on smaller 3-4# fish and 5-6# fish using the 1 1/2" needles. I won't give actual instructions on where to poke them, cause I don't feel I am an expert yet.
When regular fishing or prefishing, don't fizz the fish - let them go and they will be fine. When bringing them in to weigh in, I feel fizzing is the best method to help the fish survive. Weighting fins may keep them alive in the livewell, providing the weights don't fall off, but what happens when the tournament organization dumps the fish with their inflated air bladder back into the lake without weights?
I have had great success fizzing fish and the fish appear very healthy through the remainder of the day and after weigh-in.
Quote from: BassinGT on July 24, 2007, 06:21:07 PM
I agree the information in contradictory. For example you never hear them mention fizzing on any of the televised BASS or FLW tournament shows (or at least I've never heard it). I always wonder why especially when the fisherman says he caught them deep. Nor do I recall any instructional fishing shows talking or educating people about it either. I often wonder if they intentionally omit that stuff so not to cause an uproar from animal activists who already think fishing alone is bad enough. When you are trying to really grow a sport like this that is the kind of bad press you don't want. Just a thought.
-Gary
Gary,
BASS does, see the link below...
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=2662881&type=Columnist&imagesPrint=off (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=2662881&type=Columnist&imagesPrint=off)
Duane
Thanks Vic and smb, I got a pk of 25 @ TSC for $8.00 (18 Guage - 1 1/2")
Duane,
That is a great article. But I'm referring to not mentioning the process on television, specifically in these big production tournament weigh in shows.
Thanks for the info!
Gary
There is a better way...no needles, no cages and start the treatment on the fish as soon as you catch it. Take a look at this: http://www.flipclipfishing.com
flipclip,
I assume these clip to the bottom fins?
Do you have to remove the weights everytime you move from spot to spot (say on St. Clair in the afternoon during a weekend tournament when you are running rough water)?
I'm always intersted in a product that would protect our Smallies!
Duane
There's a article in the 2008 In-Fisherman BASS guide , Dealing with deepwater Bass , but it was kind of confusing . A lot of info but no definitive answer, but it showed a pic of fizzing through the mouth . It looked easier than going in the side . Is one better than the other ?
GT
i do believe that Trip Weldon BASS director, said something about it at Falcon lake, i think he said that some of the pros do not know how to fizz, and he said that officials will handle the fish if they have not been fizzed, i have always wondered if the pros fizz the fish also, and its a good thing i know how to do it too, derrek showed me how last year
The Flip Clip is attached to the anal fin Duane, just behind the pooper. You don't have to take them off when moving, they stay on well. I've been working on this for several years, the trick whas to come up with the right amount of weight, a strong clip, and the right shape. Too heavy, they pull off too easy. The air bladder of a bass is about 7 percent of it's body mass when full. You would need to "flip" about 14 cubic inches of air on a 20", 4 lb smallmouth. If you have Bubba in your well, you may have to put two on.
You should be able to get these at Landbigfish, Cabela's and Bass Pro within the next couple months. Darby Comas at http://www.JDCbaits.com has some in stock now too.
Good luck guys, Keep 'em alive.
http://www.flipclipfishing.com
Quote from: CR on April 16, 2008, 11:37:01 PM
There's a article in the 2008 In-Fisherman BASS guide , Dealing with deepwater Bass , but it was kind of confusing . A lot of info but no definitive answer, but it showed a pic of fizzing through the mouth . It looked easier than going in the side . Is one better than the other ?
Just my $.02. Last year a good friend of mine was kind enough to show me how to fizz through the mouth. It is MUCH easier and way less dangerous to the fish. In fact, as long as you don't let too much air out, it's virtually problem free and safe for the fish. This is with Smallmouth, I'm uncertain about Largemouth, however we don't often pull a Largemouth up from 40 feet, so I don't suppose it's an issue.
I'd love to find a diagram of it because its so easy. But basically, you hold the tongue of the fish down and you can see right where the air fills a little tube looking vessel near the back of the tongue area. Have someone show you before you try it though. Get 18 guage needles for horse injection at Tractor Supply Company. They're cheap. Get a few and clean them with bleach at the end of the day if you use them to avoid the spread of VHS.
Here's one pic I found regarding this technique: http://www.azbasszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45128
Another article: http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/bassmaster/columns/story?page=b_col_bt_1106_fizzing_procedure
I think the reason some experts say not to fizz is because someone who is inexperienced will often do more harm than good. But it seems like the general consensus is that fizzing deep water bass is better for them and gives them a greater chance of survival as DK noted in an earlier post. Ok, so that was like $.27 or something.
http://usacproshop.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1077 gonna try these this year and I also use a 16 ga. 2 in needle also
That would work great for a trout Champion, but a bass uses it's bloodstream and respiratory system to change pressure in the air bladder. Trout can "burp" but bass can't. The reason this http://www.flipclipfishing.com works is it allows the fish to turn back over and use it's own mechanisms to balance the pressure. Any comments or feedback is greatly appreciated.