The season isn't opened and I don't think he's a charter capt.
$50 Smallmouth Bass fishing Guide - $50 (Lake St. Clair)
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Date: 2010-04-15, 5:16PM EDT
Reply to: sale-7vbuk-1693988370 @ craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
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Come fish Lake St. Clair with me. I have been pounding the fish i just cant afford to go by myself anymore. I have a 19 foot Ranger (beat up but runs great). $50 bucks covers all gas and ramp fees just bring your own food and gear. No strings attached and no wierdos please. Im laid off right now so i mainly go during the week when the lake is least crowded. The smallies are jumping in the boat right now. Thanks Todd Lets go
Location: Lake St. Clair
it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
What a tool!
Bragging about it like that is just going to get him in trouble. I believe the DNRE watches things like that with this as an example where steelhead poachers got busted for posting stuff online: http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=76563&provider=top .
Completely and totally illegal in Michigan. He is advertising a criminal act from top to bottom. Not very smart. I recall the last big sting done on unlicensed 'guides' in Michigan cost some of the ticketed anglers $1,000. Ouch.
Ought to be ten times that.
I saw this ad the other day and laughed. Would be funny if a DNR officer went undrcover and busted him.
They have done exactly that a number of times.
Anyone know one we could call?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/bender16v/its_a_trap.jpg)
Probably is a new revenue scheme, when you call and show up they nail you. ;D
Quote from: mikesmiph on April 17, 2010, 12:47:22 AM
Anyone know one we could call?
I E-mailed the ad to District 9
Hopefully they will do some thing about it
http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-42199-24666--,00.html
Here's another one
Why pay a guide (Lake St. Clair /Detroit River)
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Date: 2010-04-16, 8:20PM EDT
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Want to catch some giant smallies but dont have a boat or the outrageous money for a guide service. Then come with me and split the gas no money will change hands. Making fishing affordable for both of us. I also frequent the Detroit River so lets go. Catch and release bass opens soon
Location: Lake St. Clair /Detroit River
it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
Granted, not a licensed guide, but at least this one is waiting for legal season. Or, seems to be anyway.
Quote from: Manxfishing on April 17, 2010, 08:21:02 AM
Quote from: mikesmiph on April 17, 2010, 12:47:22 AM
Anyone know one we could call?
I E-mailed the ad to District 9
Hopefully they will do some thing about it
http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-42199-24666--,00.html
At first... I thought you were talking about that weird alien movie ;D
Really,
I think it's the same guy
For one he uses the word "guide" to discribe what would be a charter capt.
The other would be in both ads he ends with "lets go"
Last time I checked regulations, it is illegal in Michigan for anyone to give someone else anything of value in exchange for hunting or fishing.
It's safe to look for a new fishing friend, but you can't advertise that you will take someone hunting or fishing in exchange for anything and be legal.
Since all it is about to me is sharing the expense, this guy could be easily legal if he worded it as wanting a fishing partner. That is no different than the "Find a Fishing Partner" on this website. Whether it is for a tournament or a day of fishing, it's all in the delivery. Change the delivery and the final message and it's all good and legal.
BD ;D
The second ad sounds more legit. More like he's asking: "if you want to get out on the water and don't have a boat why pay a guide a ton of money, just fish with me for fun and share gas money". The first one sounds like an ad for a guide and brags about poaching.
Quote from: Bender on April 17, 2010, 09:44:31 PM
The second ad sounds more legit. More like he's asking: "if you want to get out on the water and don't have a boat why pay a guide a ton of money, just fish with me for fun and share gas money". The first one sounds like an ad for a guide and brags about poaching.
This is how I interpreted both ads.
BD. ;D
You guys are rough - the guy is laid off and wants to go fishing. I don't think what he is doing warrants sending the authorities after him. Times are tough, how about being a little more understanding. It isn't like he is going to make a living accepting $50 from people on craigslist to go fishing on St. Clair. Sounds like splitting the cost at best to me wtih $3/gallon gas and $30/gal oil.
I know it is before the allowed season, but we all know the season is BS anyways with zero conservation data to support it. I don't see why everyone is so eager to support and uphold laws that don't make sense. I guess it is the libertarian in me.
Maybe I'm a little rigid, but a law is a law. If you dont like them, work to change them. Just not agreeing with them doesnt give anyone the right to break them. I'm sure there are people out there who think murder shouldnt be against the law. Just my 2 cents.
I also think that he needs to word his add differently. at $50 a day he isn't making a living he's just going fishingand after this sat he is probably legal with the catch and immediate release
Picking and choosing which laws and regulations to follow or not is always a very slippery slope for any society built on laws, regulations and equality.
Blatantly and publicly ignoring laws and regulations, whether through ignorance or choice is almost always a bad choice.
I don't allow posting about breaking any law on here because I know that for every person who feels it is okay to break a law or regulation there is another who does not feel it is okay, and I want both to be members and feel equal here. No one person's voice overrules another's. Debate all you want with respect but don't try to drown out someone else you disagree with.
On this particular issue of the season, many on both sides of the choice to follow or not follow the law want to see regulations and law changed. Some just choose to follow the law until it changes and I can definitely respect that choice considering how difficult it is when people are talking all over the Internet out in the open about ignoring it, breaking it. Even including photo evidence and details that could be used against them.
As far as the angler's advertisement, the person is blatantly and publicly talking about breaking several laws in the post. As someone else pointed out, at what point do you start deciding to follow laws? Is it okay to break two laws? Three laws? Four laws? Five laws? Is it okay to break 'little' laws and long as you don't break 'big' laws?
What about tournaments? If a person is known to publicly break one, two, three or more laws, how much of a stretch is it to think the person is also choosing which tournament rules to follow and which ones to break? I sure can't blame anyone for wondering such a thing. Not much of a stretch.
I've been doing this a long time and I've come across a number of anglers who have done just that, and yes, I resent that I follow ALL the rules and they feel it is fair to me and everyone else if they pick and choose which rules to follow to gain an advantage over me. (Some of those anglers who have told me things like they 'follow the spirit of the rule' have also been banned from tournaments for life.) So I can definitely understand the same feelings from people who choose to follow laws and regulations.
I got into this discussion with TCook a few days ago while walleye fishing Lake Michigan; what do you do when you are illegally targeting bass and you catch a giant, possibly even a new State Record!!! I know it seems far-fetched, but what happens then? You can't claim it, or you get a ticket at minimum. You can't keep it, that would be the same thing. If you take pictures it will come out that you did it illegally. What then? A great reason to stay off the water in my honest opinion.
1jav
I am not condoning what the guy is doing, I just meant that I don't see why this deserves an internet lynch mob and citizens arrest by fellow bass fisherman. I also did not (and do not) suggest that we should all openly break the laws we don't believe in, but I am surely not going support the enforcement of a law that takes away rights of honest citizens to assist in enforcement against criminals. Remember the C&R season opener was set at the pike/walleye opener because it would have been too easy for criminals to target pike/musky/walleye and claim they were bass fishing if the season was left open all year. The law (C&R season dates) inacted had nothing to do with the act of bass fishing, so why is this guy breaking the law? BTW - this is a rhetorical question intended to induce deep thought. No response required or requested.
I have to quote my Mother who passed a few years ago when she said numerous times " You have enough to do worrying about your life than to concern yourself with others faults" ;D
I would like to thank those who report unlicensed guides.
As a licensed guide, I can tell you it litterally costs a couple thousand dollars to become legal and it's not fair to those compling with the law to have the illegals go unchecked. Aside from the $1500+ worth of safety equipment (Radio, class 1 life jackets with lighted beacon (2) in every size imaginable, water light, sea anchor, regular anchor, first aid kits, 2 auto bilges,etc, etc, etc....), you have to pay for and pass the Coast Guard test $250, you have to have a DOT drug screen and physical and retest at random $150 a pop, you have to have an up to date TWIC card (transportation workers identification card) $150, a radio operators license $100, Commercial boat insurance policy $500, and after you do all that then you can apply for the MI DNR dry dock and dock side inspections (another $250). You are also required to report you catch to the DNR on a monthly bases and are ticketed for failure to do so. You will also have to plan on spending a couple hundred a month for advertising if plan to have any kind of business. And last but not least, this all has to be renewed every three to five years.
Thanks again, Len B.
Quote from: 1javelin on April 20, 2010, 01:36:29 AM
I got into this discussion with TCook a few days ago while walleye fishing Lake Michigan; what do you do when you are illegally targeting bass and you catch a giant, possibly even a new State Record!!! I know it seems far-fetched, but what happens then? You can't claim it, or you get a ticket at minimum. You can't keep it, that would be the same thing. If you take pictures it will come out that you did it illegally. What then? A great reason to stay off the water in my honest opinion.
1jav
a guy did this sort of thing in minnesota last year dear hunting. Shot a new state record 8point.......it was his 3rd buck (only allowed 2) and he was hunting on land he wasnt supposed to be hunting on! i'm pretty sure he went to jail!
You can't claim a state record for anything caught out of season. Technically, we aren't even supposed to take the time to snap a photo even during the catch and release season. Just be quick about it and most reasonable law officers will not give you a difficult time. Definitely do not put a fish in the live well, stringer or basket at all.
1jav - I would take a quick picture and then just keep it somewhere for my own memories. You can't really even brag about something like that other to some real close friends, but you know how things get around anyway. Sometimes, people do legitimately catch a truly big fish out of season while fishing for something else, but every time they have publicly shared the information, it causes a great big stink. Just not worth it.
Now, if someone catches 10 bass in a row while a CO is watching and that someone stops to take pictures of them during the closed season, you odds of getting a ticket go up dramatically.
As far as the advertisement that started this, he is not just admitting to fishing out of season, he is also admitting to guiding without a license in Michigan out of season. The regulations are very strict on that due to the large charter boat industry. Multiple, blatant, public violations. Not smart.
While I understand DD's Mother's advice, I also believe that part of the slide we seem to be in at times is due to good people not taking action enough. I don't blame anyone for reporting someone who is blatantly and publicly showing a disregard for laws and regulations. Simple cure. DON'T DO IT! I give the same advice to people who complain about 'speed traps' - don't speed.
I also have NEVER been in favor of regulations that punish a lot of good people because of a few bad people. Which is why I have tried to use some of my personal time to change things like drop shotting and the bass season. And why I will continue to try to do so. Because we have so few CO's and because a few bad people choose to ignore laws and because it is easier to just make an act illegal than try to prove intent, and maybe even a little because many people do look the other way too often when they see lawbreakers, trying to change these types of things takes time and a lot of effort by many people.
Quote from: smbassman on April 20, 2010, 08:03:12 AM
- this is a rhetorical question intended to induce deep thought. No response required or requested.
hmmmmm let's think about this. deeeep deeeeep thought.............
yep pretty sure........
TOOL!. ;D :D
wonder if it just someone trying to get everyone stirred up.
Seems to be working.
Remember the old days before the internet. All we did was just go fishing.....
Everything about the guys post is wrong.....It isn't fair to the guides on LSC that do the right thing and follow required regulations....Put yourself In Balog, Bondy, Doug's or any other guide that is out on LSC trying to make enough money to break even and maybe put a little food on their table...It reminds me of what we face with foreign competition not playing on the same level playing field.. ;)
If the guy was legitimate he would have posted...."Looking for a fishing buddy to fish with during the legal season".....
I think it says a little something about his character if he has to post on Craig's list in order to get someone to go out fishing with him.....Most guys have plenty of "friends" that are willing and eager to spend a day on the water....He could join a forum like this and I am sure someone would be willing to split gas for a day...
I like what moto says!!!
Exactly
Quote from: motocross269 on April 20, 2010, 09:30:32 PM
Everything about the guys post is wrong.....It isn't fair to the guides on LSC that do the right thing and follow required regulations....Put yourself In Balog, Bondy, Doug's or any other guide that is out on LSC trying to make enough money to break even and maybe put a little food on their table...It reminds me of what we face with foreign competition not playing on the same level playing field.. ;)
If the guy was legitimate he would have posted...."Looking for a fishing buddy to fish with during the legal season".....
I think it says a little something about his character if he has to post on Craig's list in order to get someone to go out fishing with him.....Most guys have plenty of "friends" that are willing and eager to spend a day on the water....He could join a forum like this and I am sure someone would be willing to split gas for a day...
I couldn't agree more!
It seems a lot of people just dont think. In the last two days, I have gotten 3 posts on my facebook of people holding big bass. They all say when they caught them. You just never know who is watching, or telling. There are many ways to get in trouble for fishing out of season. Be a little more discrete people. I'd hate to see any of my friends lose their license. I like fishing with all of you.