banned from NBAA?

[Revtro]

No boat?  Hope it's nothing serious.  While you're waiting for your boat back, if you want to get out on the big water, let me know.  I'm always up for it.  It would be nice to catch up with ya again.

[joshimoto son]

I have been challenged to delete this post. I will not... but I don't really see how any of this is increases the quality of life at any moment.

Sad.

joshimoto son

[Skulley]

Josh, why would you even want to delete this post???  If you were to delete it, I believe you are doing the membership of this website a great dis-service.  I think the membership should know what is going on in these organizations, but it needs to be based on fact and not here say.  It gives them an opportunity to form an opinion (although not always valid) and then make a decision as to which Tournament Trail they would like to go with. 

Personally, after what I was involved with last year, I am still sticking with the NBAA because they proved to me that they were credible and they have integrity.  Those are the two most important things that a man has control over..........his credibility and his integrity (my Dad used to tell me that growing up....God rest his soul).  I take mine very seriously and look for it in other men and women that I deal with on a daily basis.  My Dad would tell me that it separates the men from the boys.  If you don't have credibility and integrity.........then what do you have?  I know that no one will take any issue you bring up seriously if you don't have these very valuable assets.

All I can say is that after all this controversy is past, we have to come together as an organization and do the right things and make the right decisions by the membership.  I hope I don't sound too much like a negotiator for the UAW, although that is what I am doing for a living right now.

Regards,
BD                       

[joshimoto son]

Big dog...
It's just another one of those posts that border on the "dirty laundery" side.
Someone says something... that in turn sparks up two or three others... then Dan "the voice of reason" steps in... then what follows is a mirad of I didn't mean to offend posts.

It's not necessarilly the context of the post, but we have a habit of making things a little more controversial than need be.

I am just as concerned in this issue as everyone, and I am just as passionate about this sport as everyone.

I just like seeing subjects handled in a way that doesn't require a bunch of apologies about a post that does not have very many facts involded about the original issue.

What have we learned from this thread?
What knowledge have we gained?

I don't want to turn this board into a "Huggy bear, Kissy poo" site, but our goal is to set this board appart from the others and maintain it's integrity.

My personal opinion is that this thread is nothing but a black eye for the board.

Do you or anyone else for that matter, think this could have been done a little differently?

joshimoto son

[Revtro]

Well said Josh.

[bosshawg]

AMEN to that....

i can not think how it could have been done differently. and i guess i'm off of this subject.  good day!

[djkimmel]

Please remember please that Josh and Revtro have volunteered to do a job as moderators on top of their normal desire to just participate like everyone else here. When we hear several valid complaints, we have to consider them and do what we think is best for the majority and for the forum.

As the one who feels primarily responsible for everything on this forum, and who feels that it is important to remember that most of us our good people trying to do our best, I want to make sure the board reflects that while still providing truly useful and accurately portrayed information.

I have said before, this forum is not for airing out personal grievances and definitely, I will do my best to not allow misleading information to sway people one way or the other unfairly. That does service to no one. If I think the topic really a personal issue that should be handled directly between the involved parties only, or that the members and visitors here are being misled for any purpose, the post/thread will either be explained with facts, or most likely, removed.

There are good companies coming here to read your opinions and posts. There a top line anglers reading and participating. There's the majority of good members wanting to belong and enjoy the sport we love while learning valuable things from each other. There are young people and new people too, along with outsiders, just getting started and/or trying to figure out what we are all about. What they read should be foremost accurate, and give them a true impression of what kind of people most of us are like along with what this sport is about.

95% is all good and positive. The forum should reflect that, not make is artifically seem like we spend half our time arguing and fighting over things. I have checked into this thread's specific issue with several sources and find there is more to this issue than the rest of us will know or need to know. I also strongly feel after reviewing these additional details that this is a personal issue between OUTLAW, his friend and the NBAA, and has nothing to offer anyone here.

Members can talk about NBAA, or any other company pretty much all you want as long as it is accurate, reflects all sides fairly and is about the general workings and issues pertaining to deciding to fish, or actually fishing NBAA. I do not want to hear about personal disagreements and see people trying to publicly harm NBAA or another company over personal issues that are not, and should not be, fully disclosed.

If you have ever worked in or near human resources, you will know that there are very few things a previous employer can say to anyone external about a past employee. This is becoming the norm in tournaments too in this litigious society, in that a company like NBAA can not put themselves at unnecessary risk by publicly disclosing very many things. You will see this more and more than we already have - if a legal proceeding is not brought by a law agency, you will not get anymore than the most limited explanation. You just have to get used to it. You can ask. You can pressure. You can demand, but in many cases, none of the tournament companies are going to tell you anything more than 'he/she is seeking new opportunities elsewhere' or 'we have agreed to go our separate ways.'