banned from NBAA?

[OUTLAW]

I have a friend that got a registerd letter in the mail saying he was banned from NBAA, The letter said that they would not accept his membership for 2007 because of incidents in 2006, it did not state what it was or give any other reason for the action. He was never protested or DQ'ed from an event.

I think that is a raw deal! they should have stated the reson for the ban.

Just my 2 cents

[yukonjack2]

Obviously 2 sides to every story.  Have him call Jack and discuss it directly - you really can't draw any opinions till the facts are resolved - it could be a total mix up - who knows.  Not really the place to air it out till everything is resolved.   Good luck!


Jack

[silverminnow]

I agree Jack and that is good advice.  Take it to Jack or Jim.  Talking about it on the board will do nothing, talking to NBAA is the correct way to handle it.

[OUTLAW]

I just feel that it was very unprofesional not to at least state why he was banned from NBAA.

[JCOOPER]

My guess would be that he is pretty aware of the reason.

[squid]

I just feel that it was very unprofesional not to at least state why he was banned from NBAA.

I agree with you on this, but why bring it up here untill all matters of issues are dealt with?

You seem to do that alot about issues you don't know all the answers to.

JMHO

[OUTLAW]

What differance dose it make if I bring it up here? Is'nt this were fisherman can talk about issues and what we like and don't like or is it only for the good stuff? If all you talk about is the good stuff were is it going to get you. Bassfishing is a great sport but it is not perfect nor are the people that run tournaments or the guys that fish them. But if we don't bring up the bad thing along with the good we will not make the sport any better.

[tritonman]

The problem is outlaw, is you bash NBAA on anything you can and push your own circuit.

Since it did not involve you, it should not be posted as a subject

[Revtro]

Obviously there must be more to the story.  There is no way any tournament organization is going to ban a guy and not tell him why.  Regardless, this thread is not gonna get out of control.  I suggest we drop this subject until such time as all the relevant information is made public as to be as fair as possible to NBAA.  I would suggest the same for any tournament organization in question.  As Jack said, there are always two sides to every story and we're not even hearing the whole story of the one side. 

Yes, this is a place where we can discuss negative issues sometimes, but this goes beyond the scope at this present time.  If and when this incident becomes public and all sides are aired out publicly, then it would be more appropriate to discuss it here.

[Mojo]

Not even one side ? No juicy details ? You guys are horrible gossipers !!! Such ....... men.   lol. I crack myself up! I'll tell ya there are some Directors I'd like to ban, ..... and some fellow fishermen I'd like to ban, but you cant start a "one time, in band camp, I heard about a ..." type story here.

If NBAA IS BANNING people, of course we want to know. Are they discriminating ? Are they not friendly to the handicapped or mentally challenged ? You bet I want to know.

If one time, in band camp, your buddy went nose to nose with another fisherman for spot hogging or taking 'cuts' in the weigh in line, well thats completely another story. I agree with Jack, when he gets a written letter from NBAA why he was banned, please post it so we all learn from it.

PS: Sorry you lost a partner.

[Skulley]

I heard there were a lot of incidents last year.     I thought it was only in the Division I fished in.    There were several incidents in my division concerning how the Tournament Director was measuring fish on the bump board.     I witnessed it myself.  What I witnessed was the Tournament Director was putting his index finger underneath the fish and the fish were measuring short.    Several of the other competitors noticed this also and when the Assistant Tournament Director measured the same fish, it measured longer than the 14 inch size limit.    I believe that the Tournament Director was doing this without realizing he was.     As a matter of fact, I actually called the NBAA with my concerns as to how they were measuring the fish in my division.  I wanted to become part of the solution to the problem and not more of the problem.  My daughter was my partner and I didn't want her witness to what I considered "BAD SPORTSMANSHIP" on the part of the competitors and the Tournament Director.    My concern was how she would interpret all this controversy and what effect it would have on her.    If this would have effected her in a negative manner, I would have quietly quit fishing NBAA and quietly disappeared into the woodwork, so to speak.      

This concern of yours should be taken up with Sprague and Horning.  They are very fair and very concerned about the credibility of their Tournament Trail.  If they get bad press, who do you think is going to want to fish NBAA??  I know I wouldn't.  I believe the NBAA and their leadership are very credible.  I again will be back to fish their Tournament Trails.  I am very excited about this new One on One Division and their One on One Super Qualifiers.  I think they have come along way since their beginning and they are consistantly striving to improve.  I take my credibility and integrity very seriously and I know the NBAA Leadership takes theirs seriously also.

My advice would be to call the leadership and find out why.  Actually, the registered letter should have given the reason, but at the sametime they may have not given your partner a reason as they wanted him to call them.  Good luck.   

BD             

[MBell]

I have no problem with this post.  He stated facts about the letter, I'm sure he could have said more but chose not to and you guys are still on him.  To those who think he should wait until they tell him why, that will probobly never happen.  If they wanted to tell him why they would have put it in the letter!  Like mojo said, if they are banning competitors they should have no problem with lettitng the other competitiors know and standing behind their decision.  When you try and hide things and keep quiet it makes you look bad even if your in the right. 
-Matt   

[bosshawg]

 have a friend that was banned from nbaa and a wonderland tournament couple of years ago for a incident that got him kicked out of our club for a violation he did in a club tournament. by word of mouth a certain person told the TD's committee of both events of this incident and it was their decision to not let him fish in these events. i have/had my own opinions on this, but no need to bring up old history. he has since realized his error, paid for his mistake & to let things simmer down that following year. w/a letter written to nbaa & an explination to all he is now in another bass club and now fishes nbaa events. so they are forgiving if given the chance. severity of this other persons doings to get him banned is only between himself and nbaa - no need bring up dirty laundry to the rest of us.

[BigSmallie]

[quote severity of this other persons doings to get him banned is only between himself and nbaa - no need bring up dirty laundry to the rest of us. [/quote]

I don't know about that!   

DEPENDING.......on the type of violation.......I would certainly like to know if it is a major violation or minor violation!!   

If a major violation......I would want to know who the individual was.   If a minor violation.....I'm talking not wearing your vest while the big motor is running, etc...etc...etc.. this type of violation is not a concern to me.   

Just because someone is banned from "certain tournaments" doesn't mean they can't fish others..........there are an awful lot of "open" tournaments available!!!    I would hate to lay down my entry fee to an "open" tournament.....only to find out later that the winner was banned from other tournaments due to a "major" violation.

Just my thoughts.

BS 

 

[djkimmel]

Other bigger tournament organizations have kind of set the precedent lately for not publicly stating specifics about the violation(s). Again, I think it is up to each organization to decide how to run their events including what you see and the greater work that happens behind the scenes to make tournaments possible.

I would have to believe the person has an idea what got him/her in the situation. I also know that straight out cheating is sometimes shared with other organizations and sometimes not again depending on the company and the advice they possibly get from lawyers. There have been some serious lawsuits in the past to make companies that run tournaments much more careful about what they say AND DON'T say publicly about many things.

I completely understand why and how that is having been on the side of an organization in the past that dealt with letters from lawyers and threats of large dollar lawsuits. Remember this is not just a fun thing we do on weekends - there's big money involved. More than enough to get a good 'screw up your whole company's existence' lawsuit going.

Look at how much pressure was put on FLW a while back over that banning of Tony something or other. Everybody and their brother speculating, and demanding they tell everyone specifics. But they didn't do it, and they won't.

Personally, if I was banned by a tournament company/organization, I doubt if I would be trying to make a big public spectacle over it. That very thing could lead to further action by further companies/organizations. Unless it involves charges for lawbreaking, it probably will and probably should, remain private.

[Revtro]

He stated facts about the letter, I'm sure he could have said more but chose not to and you guys are still on him.

Respectfully, I'm not sure I agree for a few reasons.  First, he did not quote any facts from the alleged letter.  If he actually wants to quote the letter, that's a different matter entirely.  No one is suggesting hiding anything. 

Secondly, I have a really hard time swallowing the idea that a tournament organization would ban someone and never tell them why they did it.  I can see them not wanting to make the facts public, but certainly they would tell the person being banned why they are being banned.  Or am I wrong here?  Does that really happen?  Admitedly, I've never known anyone who was banned from a tournament organization.  I'd be very interested to see a letter that shows that kind of thing.  The idea that an organization can ban someone and not ever tell them why is a disturbing one... nor does it sound legal.

If they did really refuse to tell someone why they were banned, I'm sure a lot of people would not want to fish for such an organization.  But before we just give too much credence to a rumor, I for one would prefer to see the letter to prove these allegations of being banned without reason are really true.  I think that's fair.  Otherwise (and I'm certainly not saying Outlaw is doing this) anyone can make any allegations they want and it can unfortunately damage the credibility of an organization.  How fair is that?

Thirdly, Outlaw says that NBAA refused to tell the competitor why he was banned, not that the anyone is holding back the details. 

Regading the issue as a whole:
I'm simply saying the original post sounds somewhat strange and I really hope this doesn't get out of hand and turn into an NBAA bashing session.  (I'm not accusing Outlaw of anything BTW) Maybe Outlaw's friend isn't giving him the whole story, or maybe he misspoke.  Either way, a few more facts would be necessary before I would publicly make this kind of accusation.  But that's just me.

All I've ever heard about the guys who run NBAA is that they are a stand up organization and pretty fair in their dealings with people.  If Outlaw is right in what he's reporting here, then I wholeheartedly agree with him.  It is a raw deal!  But I would like some more supporting facts first...not just someone's word for it.  That's how reputations most often get damaged.

Outlaw, I hope you see that I'm not picking on you.  With the exception of maybe two posts in this thread, most of these guys are not "on you" as mbell says.  These kinds of conversations just tend to draw out a lot of emotion.

[motocross269]

I think any type of major punishment that is dolled out by the tournament directors should be public knowledge, maybe with the names withheld, that way we could all learn from others mistakes and maybe poor judgement.

[MBell]

I'm done with this.  Should have never posted in the first place just kept it going.  Probobly not that smart to have him prove it, it would be a mess.
-Matt       

[Revtro]

Matt, sorry if I offended you by disagreeing.  I didn't mean to seem like I was picking on you or anything.  Everyone has a right to their opinion.  Hope you're not mad.  This topic isn't worth it.

[MBell]

Not offended at all, don't worry.  Have seen how this goes a few times and just no up for it.  Not the type of thing I normally get into.  Guess I've got too much time on my hands with no boat for a few days. 
-Matt