TBF state fish off 2008??

[motocross269]

Somewhere in GLB forum I saw talk of the TBF state fish off being early and up north.  Are you guys thinking the sunday after the BFL on Burt and Mullet???
Just thinking ahead for next year and trying to figure out what I can budget.
Thanks,
B

[djkimmel]

We ended up not following the BFL for a number of reasons including cooperation with another circuit that agreed to not schedule on us if we didn't schedule on them - better for all members.

We are looking at the weekend before - either 5/31 or 6/1 on either Charlevoix or Burt/Mullett with Muskegon as the backup if necessary. We should have it nailed down around the end of this year.

[motocross269]

Thanks for the info...All 3 of those locations are great fisheries, especially in the spring...

[djkimmel]

There will definitely be some fish caught...

[Skip Johnson]

I have to agree with you eric I felt the same way when I heard it was all the way up there, great fisheries up there but its coming to the point of whos rich enough to play in a 1 day tournament.

lets see 300 miles to cheboygen at 12 miles to the gallon= 25 gallons each way at $3.59 for diesel = $200 round trip.
fuel to drive to ramps and back = $50.
3 days of pre fishing at 25 gallons a day in the boat at $3.19 = $240.
3 gallons of 2 stroke oil = $60.
40 gallons plus another gallon of oil for tournament day = $150.
enty fee for tourney = $150.
3 nights of hotel at $70 = $210
misc tackle $50
food $50
3 more days off of work = hundreds more but not counting that
                              = $1.160.00 

I dont think my wife would let me go if she knew how much it costs to fish it.
would we let our wife spend $1100 on a suntan?
that all were coming back with!

[djkimmel]

We do have several clubs on the west side and the north. We can't just ignore them.

Also, we heard loud and clear from OUR members last year that they don't want conflicts between the two federations, so we worked this year to make sure there aren't any.

[motocross269]

Dan, I am not trying to stir the pot here, but you are not going to keep everyone happy no matter what you do..
I would prefer it to be the same weekend as the BFL..I would like it even better if we fished out of LSC again, but that is my world..Both Eric and Skip are great fisherman and  Make valid points, but If fishing the TBF isn't in my budget I just won't fish it and wish you guys the best of luck with the event.

[dashaver63]

Hey, you could do like Ohio does, we have 2 events that are each 2 days long just to get to the state event. First is the 2 day regional, gas, rooms, food and other misc. things PLUS a 50.00 entry fee. Plus there was no payback last year. I got a 5 gallon jug of 2 cycle oil for finishing 9th. Then if you qualify you go to the 2 day State Qualifying Tournament, same as for the regional and that tournament could be anywhere in the state. We have two SQT's each year and you go to the one you are assigned to according to your region, another expensive 2 day tourney plus another 50.00 entry fee. Then, if you qualify, you go the the State Championship. Again 2 day's and another 50.00 entry fee, plus all the expenses all over again. So in Ohio, you basically triple what you would pay in Michigan, If you are going to fish the TBF event, I'd rather have it the way you guy's have it, all in 1 day. I know it is expensive to do the traveling, get the hotels, buy the gas and everything else, but I think it would be alot easier to budget 1 tournament and be done with it than try to do it 3 times. Just my opinion.

[dartag]

hard to make it the same weekend as the BFL.  The MI Federation has an event on charlevoix on 6-8.  saw it on  ( Roy Randolphs list ).


like MX said just schedule it and who ever shows up will fish. 

the one problem i see is it will be a  " Bed Fishing " event and the non-boater will be at the mercy of the boater if he will put him on any fish.

[motocross269]

the one problem i see is it will be a  " Bed Fishing " event and the non-boater will be at the mercy of the boater if he will put him on any fish.

That is for sure...

[djkimmel]

Well think about what we might hear if we put it on Burt/Mullett the day after the BFL 'tear's it up!' Again, as a board member, I have to consider EVERY SINGLE member. That's what I remind every board member of at every meeting I've ever attended for any organization. But we are kind of ahead of ourselves here.

Let's make a deal guys. Please hold off both barrels until we actually announce the date and location. As I said, those are the locations and dates we are shooting for and some of the reasons, but we have not set anything yet.

We are still in talks with various parties. NOTHING is out of the question at the moment since nothing is finalized. We fully understand your concerns, which echo almost exactly concerns raised by various board members. In fact, not one concern I have heard so far was not debated at length (and sometimes with raised voices) at the last board meeting.

We all fish and none of us are independently wealthy either. This is a democracy and we hear the comments and have a lot of the same thoughts ourselves, but remember we hear ALL comments since we represent everyone. The majority does rule, but not at the excessive expense of the minority. There will always be some give and take.

Please wait until we finalize the actual date and location, by the end of this month probably. Then, if you still want to, give us both barrels...

[Skip Johnson]

ok my guns put away
can we put saginaw bay in the hat? it sure is closer to the majority and is part of the early opener, the fishing on saginaw bay is fantastic and theres plenty of fish for the co's to get a limit as well.

[djkimmel]

In the past, we have had significant drops in numbers for state championships when we schedule Saginaw Bay. BFL doesn't go there anymore because of the phoned-in complaints every time they schedule Saginaw Bay in the past.

We may go there in the future out of one of the outer ramps, but the money is in Bay City and you don't just ignore when someone wants to give you money when you come to their area. Not prudent or good business. You have to consider all necessities of putting on tournaments and of the desires of all the different types of anglers.

It's a looooonnng drive to Saginaw Bay from the NW, SW and West.

I think there was conflict we couldn't ignore for the 15th (besides it being Father's Day and some people not wanting a tournament that would take them away from family that day). Many members are not as hardcore as some of you. I don't recall the specifics at the moment, but we are still working on several alternative options yet.

[djkimmel]

Hang on a little longer fellow anglers. A new offer has been made - possible alternative we need to look at. I don't want to say any more until all the board members have been briefed and had their say. If we think it will be more popular with more members, we will pursue.

Just remember, the TBF regional is right here, in Michigan, in September. 2 TBF of Michigan anglers WILL go on to the TBF National Championship and a shot at the living the dream package (I have to confirm the details yet), the Wal-Mart BFL All-American and the FLW Tour Championship. Heck, one of us could be hanging out with joshimoto son next summer!

[djkimmel]

This is just my own opinion - the true test of leadership and membership is to remember the purpose of the federation is not to hold another tournament for adults - there's plenty of tounaments already, even in Michigan. The true purpose is to provide an organizing point for bass anglers to work for and be heard and counted on the future of all bass fishing, the environment, conservation and youth.

If we did not have the higher tournament opportunities available for our members thanks to great partnerships, I would vote that we not even hold the one adult tournament because of our already crowded tournament scene and the headaches and resource drain that come with running tournaments. But, we do have the partnership opportunities, so we have the one tournament for adults and do our best with it.

Anglers and hunters need to recognize the importance of being organized to our future for even having tournaments to enjoy. Already, in some states, whole lakes or regions have been lost for tournament fishing. We almost lost 3 or more weeks of our season here recently. It came extremely close, too close for comfort to allow it to ever get that far along again. This will not get easier in the future as less people choose to fish and hunt each year.

We worry about and discuss what is good for / who is the majority of federation members on forums, at meetings, boat ramps, etc, as far as a fishing tournament, but we should be putting that effort and more into discussing the FACT that we are not the majority in the big picture. As more people choose not to hunt or fish, the minority we already are becomes a smaller and smaller minority. Where might that leave us in future votes / issues concerning our pastime especially considering there are groups out there dedicated to teaching our children not to hunt and fish?

THAT question keeps me up at night, not the question of what lake we fish or not for a state championship? I will always belong to organizing groups for anglers and hunters. There is no other real feasible and prudent alternative in our system of government.

[Team houston]

Thanks for putting it in perspective Dan.

[motocross269]

I've set a goal,Now that I have a boat, to try to get more involved in junior programs..Also with the DAV tournament that Paul Sacks had last year..
I am going to have to cut back drastically for a couple of years on my tournament expenses, but taking "hopefully" new anglers fishing on local lakes is pretty cheap..

[djkimmel]

We will be announcing the 2008 TBF of Michigan adult state championship date and location on Monday.

[djkimmel]

I understand all that. It takes all kinds. I'm just glad we only put on one adult tournament a year

and you're welcome.

[Skulley]

lets see 300 miles to cheboygen at 12 miles to the gallon= 25 gallons each way at $3.59 for diesel = $200 round trip.
fuel to drive to ramps and back = $50.
3 days of pre fishing at 25 gallons a day in the boat at $3.19 = $240.
3 gallons of 2 stroke oil = $60.
40 gallons plus another gallon of oil for tournament day = $150.
enty fee for tourney = $150.
3 nights of hotel at $70 = $210
misc tackle $50
food $50
3 more days off of work = hundreds more but not counting that
                              = $1.160.00 

And for everything else there's MasterCard.

Sounds like a commercial Skip.  But I have to agree.  Fishing ain't cheap when you break it down like this.  I wouldn't even tell the wife if I were you if you were intending to fish both........unless of course you win both events.........and would winning both events pay this bill?  Of course that would probably depend on how many anglers would make two trips up north to fish these events.  Wow......too much $$$$$$ for even my budget.  I would have to give up the family vacation next summer to fit both those in.  I don't think the lovely bride would be up for that....that's for sure.


BD