Payout's

[cr]

I would like to see the NBAA change the payout from every four spots to every seven or eight, or something. It don't make sense to pay back less than the entry fee ,IMO . I'm sure there's a reason for the way they do things, but I think first second and third should get the brunt of the money and the following two three spots could get their entry fee back  or gift certificate,s or something. If you pay one hundred dollar's to enter a tournament , what sense doe's it make to "win" sixty dollar's for seventh? Just thinking out loud here , not trying to start trouble , just BOOOOOREEED! Am I alone on this???

[dartag]

this seems to come up every winter.  i think NBAA even printed there payout schedule last year because there was so much discussion..  the weeknights pay 1 place for every 5 entries. not sure about the weekends.   i got 29.00 on a couple weeknight events for a 42.00 entry fee. i like there system since you are not going to get rich on a weeknight series so it is good to spread it around a little.

The KLBA boys pay 100% so i know there payout is better.  when they move to Cass Lake i will be in with them.

[Fishmael]

Yeah, I like it too.  Unless you fish a lot of the weekend events, your probably fishing more for the comradarie and fun of it rather than the money.  So, if you get some of your money back, that makes if more affordable for more of the fishermen, which means more fishermen, etc.

[Got Fish??]

 I agree that your not going to get rich fish NBAA. It,s all about getting out and meeting different people, being out on the lake and getting away from the hussel bussel of every day stuff. Besides how much money did you make bowling this winter?

[gr@ssmonkey]

hey cr tough luck with that one,best thing to do is find a different tourney league to fish,it's not the 1 in 5 or 1 in 7 that will change a hole lot it's the 65% pay at the ramp my friend that hurts.(u guys might not be trying to get rich but JIM is)

[gterrien]

That's a cheap shot at Jim, but I guess your entitled to it.  I can tell you Jim is not getting rich, but he does make some money in this business.  It is easy to think these organizations just run on their own, with no employee costs or expenses and all the money should go back to the anglers, but that is not reality. 

The thing is everyone knows what they are getting when they fish these events. And this is not a three or four circuit organization.  NBAA has continued to grow every year and continue to do so.  Not everything they do is perfect, but I have seen a couple other organizations fold in the past few years which shows this is not an easy business to sustain.  They have tried new things that have been successful and some things that were a flop.  At least they try new things based on what they hear from us, the anglers.

They truly want to make it a friendly place for anglers to fish tournaments.  Payback is what it is.  65% and spread out to give that chance for anglers to make something while remaining competitive.  Nothings better to watch than a father and son team finish 4th or 5th and get a small check.  The kid lights up.  That is what we strive for at the NBAA.   

I hope everyone enjoys the season and I can't wait for the cold weather to leave.

[djkimmel]

this seems to come up every winter.  i think NBAA even printed there payout schedule last year because there was so much discussion..  the weeknights pay 1 place for every 5 entries. not sure about the weekends.   i got 29.00 on a couple weeknight events for a 42.00 entry fee. i like there system since you are not going to get rich on a weeknight series so it is good to spread it around a little.

That's why they do it - seems to be the most popular choice for the bulk of the anglers who provide feedback to NBAA.

It is always good to state your opinion though. Things can sometimes change or be adjusted if a consensus appears, or at least it might give you a chance to make your own choices as to what you fish and don't.

As far as anyone getting rich, it is not happening at the moment for most businesses. Times are tough and challenging. Many businesses are on a very thin edge when it comes to staying open. I always want to say go try to do it yourself and see how it is to walk in someone elses' shoes. Things are different coming from the perspective of running a business than they are from being a consumer or customer.

NBAA is a large circuit with a ton of directors and even real employees. The money has to come from somewhere and I can tell you there are not many companies lining up to give anyone dollars at this time. Tough to get even in the best of times.

I used to run tournaments, so I have my own smaller perspective from the 'other shoe' on all the comments, complaints and perceptions that are often stated on various message boards and boat ramps. I promise you (meaning everyone) that until you've been on the 'running the tournaments' side, you will never truly be able to appreciate what is involved and what it takes to run a circuit that grows and lasts for a large number of participants.

I'm not saying anyone can't state their opinions (see above), but please try to consider what it is like from the opposite side of the coin too when doing so. The circuits that last are businesses run to not lose money. You can see, if you look, even the really big circuits are cutting back quite a bit to stay viable.

[cr]

I didn't mean to bash the NBAA, and realize that it is a business . I also enjoy the camaraderie and appreciate the fact that there's a tournament to fish almost every day of the week. I just think that the payouts could be changed for the better .   

[djkimmel]

I didn't take your opinion as bashing. I don't think anyone else did.

[JohnBoy]

I would like to see the NBAA change the payout from every four spots to every seven or eight, or something. It don't make sense to pay back less than the entry fee ,IMO . I'm sure there's a reason for the way they do things, but I think first second and third should get the brunt of the money and the following two three spots could get their entry fee back  or gift certificate,s or something. If you pay one hundred dollar's to enter a tournament , what sense doe's it make to "win" sixty dollar's for seventh? Just thinking out loud here , not trying to start trouble , just BOOOOOREEED! Am I alone on this???

hey cr tough luck with that one,best thing to do is find a different tourney league to fish,it's not the 1 in 5 or 1 in 7 that will change a hole lot it's the 65% pay at the ramp my friend that hurts.(u guys might not be trying to get rich but JIM is)

I put this on another site for those of you complainers.
EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS AND CHECK IT OUT FOR THEMSELVES.

This is why you should always do your own investigating.

NBAA pays out 70% at the ramp,this is taken right off of the payout sheet in the book( 20boats $35entree $490 payed out= 70% on the nose). They keep a percentage for the classic which you dont have to pay to go to, and yes they keep out some to run their buisness. They did have their payout up last year and it was in their magazine(which costs money) Its not up on their website now but Im sure they will put it back up.

BBT payout is 65.882353% at the ramp on Muskegon1 since they dont post their payout schedule ahead of time (or I couldnt find it) I added up the total amount payed out which was $5600 and there were 85 boats fishing at $100 entree, they keep a percentage for the classic and you dont have to pay to get in to it either.

Shoreline payout is 66.6666% at the ramp again they do not post their payout either ahead of time so I added up what they say on their rules. I also added up their payout on cadillac and it came to 63.492063. Not sure why that was maybe last year the entree wasnt as much or something..They also keep a percentage for the classic and I cant find if you have to pay to be in classic but It doesnt look like it.

The BFL payout is 74.358974% at the ramp. They do post their payout based on 200 boats. Of course we arent going to see that many boats around here.

Bassmaster weekend payout is 74.358974% at the ramp. They post their payout based on 200 boats. Of course we arent going to see that many boats around here.

These are not including big bass.

As you can see there is a pattern here. It is just around 70%. Obviousley this is what each tournament curcuit has to have to operate. For any big organization to operate it must have funds. Those funds come from us anglers. If there are people out there that want to do all of this for nothing I say go for it. For all of you complainers out there, I say try running all of these tournaments or anything else and see if you wouldnt want to be paid for a service. And thats what it is a service..

[MadWags]

Woooohoooo!
The annual "tournament payout thread" is here!
The annual "tournament payout thread" is here!
That must mean that spring will be here soon.
Besides Basspro sent me a Spring Angler 2009 catalog, so I know it must be true.

[Fishmael]

If I read the post right, he wasn't complaining about the % of payback, but the allocation of that payout.  The thought is (not that I subscribe to it) that maybe it should be more top-heavy and not pay down so many places.  There is some logic to that rationale.  However, like I mentioned before, since no one is probably going to get rich from these tourneys, I think it makes sense to give more people back some of their money, while keeping the top couple spots paying well, and keep everyone playing.  It is up to each individual whether they fish a particular tourney or not.  So, if you sign up for it, don't complain about it.  If you want it changed, contact the appropriate people off-line (much like most of my bass end up) and have your discussion.  Otherwise, game on!  Spring is almost here...now when do these 0 degree days end?!

Thanks for all the research though.  Could we get payback by place as a % of the entry fee?

[MBell]

I don't fish nbaa that much anymore outside of the Detroit Open.  With the membership and the payout schedule I can't justify the expense unless I plan on fishing the classic.  I would also like to see the top get paid more, but I understand that the deep payout brings guys back.  I would like to fish for more money via a higher entry fee or see some type of an option pot going to the winners.  I've been fishing the local "fruit jar" tournaments the last 2 years and have made out much better on the money end.  I don't think there is much to argue about this year, NBAA has posted their payout schedule and it is what it is.
-Matt       

[dartag]

what Fruit Jar tournys do you fish.   I know about the Kent Lake tuesdays.  i think there is one on White Lake in Highland but not sure what night.  are there others in the area.??

i enjoy NBAA because i can fish the lakes i like.  i never seem to fish enough events to make the championships.   

[McCarter]

Fruit Jar???  Is that a good thing or a bad thing?  Why you gotta call us Fruit Jar???  We are an elite group of anglers ranging anywhere from 4-14 boats who are dedicated to cracking an 3 fish limit of 12 lbs or better.  it will be done.  oh yes, it will be done!!!



McCarter himself

[MadWags]

Did he mean Fruit Cake?

[MBell]

what Fruit Jar tournys do you fish.   I know about the Kent Lake tuesdays.  i think there is one on White Lake in Highland but not sure what night.  are there others in the area.??

i enjoy NBAA because i can fish the lakes i like.  i never seem to fish enough events to make the championships.   

There is one on Pontiac out of seligs landing, I think it's thursday night.  Best way to do it though is to get a small group of guys and just do $20-50 a boat winner take all. 
-Matt   

[squid]

hey cr tough luck with that one,best thing to do is find a different tourney league to fish,it's not the 1 in 5 or 1 in 7 that will change a hole lot it's the 65% pay at the ramp my friend that hurts.(u guys might not be trying to get rich but JIM is)

I enjoy reading stuff from guys like this one.  He who knows not what goes on must keep mouth shut.....lol

Website...cost money.  Classic that you do not pay for..cost money.  Employees...cost money.  Magazine..cost money.  The prizes that everyone thinks they get for free....COST MONEY...duh.  Boats...cost money.  Overhead of storage...heating electricity...cost money.  Upkeep of NBAA vehicles(gas, insurance, license fees)..cost money.  Paper products..the flyers and the printed out schedules at the shows...cost money.  Shall I go on?  See these are things that NO ONE thinks about.

Ask CATT how much it cost to run a trail that paid back 90%  IT COST MONEY PPL....use your heads and think about it.

Now, back to the real question here:

The payback is paidout this way, cause it was thought that it would be better to get something than nothing at all.  I can not believe that someone would be upset that they won 1/2 their money back.  That is less money you would have to put into the next tournament, which makes it cost only 1/2 the next time, cause you already thought about it ALL being paid the 1st time. 

Works for me.   

[djkimmel]

McCarter... your picture is on the LABEL of the Fruit Jar

[Eric]

And the box of Froot Loops.