fluorocarbon & spinning gear

[bob o]

now i've used vicious FC on my casting equipment with no problems and i was just wondering what you use on your spinning gear. the past few years i've used cajun red on my spinning stuff with good results i'm just looking for another edge on the fish this year. i plan on getting some berkley FC and trying that this year, although last year i put some cabela's FC (the pink stuff) on my wifes spinning reel which seemed to work fine for her not many tangles at all.

let it rip

[markgoetsch]

I use vicious on my spinning gear and casting gear and works better than the berkley in my opinion.  vicious is the only line I use and its reasonably priced too and no unforunetly I'm not sponsored by them.

[bob o]

are you using 6lb on your spinning stuff? i'm planning on 8lb/casting & 6lb/spinning

[TCook]

For your spinning gear you want a flouro line that is supple so your line does not have a tendency to jump off the spool. I have tried many and found that seaguar invisx worked best with 10lb test and down. With the new lines that came out in the last year or two I have not tried except for sunline sniper and that too worked great on spinning. The sniper was as good as the invisx but costs about $13 for 100 yards and the invisx is $17 ($15 at D@R) for 200 yards so an easy choice I think.

[Dan]

If it's fluorocarbon I wouldn't bother with 8 lb. on casting. Go big or go home on the casting rod. I wouldn't use under 12 lb. on the casting rod and probably no less than 15 lbs. Spinning reel is a whole nother animal. There I use 6 lb. and maybe 8. I'd go higher on the spinning reel if it would lay better on the reel. However, 6 lb. fluoro is pretty tough. Just be careful with any fluoro that you wet your knot very well. That will help prevent the line from getting weak at the knot when you tie it. I too, like Vicious. You can't beat their price and they have been in the line business for years. Before they were Vicious they were making line for other companies.

[bob o]

8lb on my casting gear get's my crankbaits down a little deeper

[markgoetsch]

spinning I use 8 lb. and casting is anywhere from 12-17 lb.

[macbass]

i have found that florocarbon has a tendency to be a little on the stiff side and to much memory for me on a spinning reel.. so i went to p line floroclear for my spinning reels. and florocarbon on my casting rods. and run nothing but 14 to 25 pound florocarbon.. and since the line sinks it helps get the crank baits deeper..for florocarbon i use nothng but bps signature series...i guess if vandam can use it it must be ok for us...

[Ranger_Boats_Team_North]

I have the perfect product for the line twist in Fluorocarbon. It is called KVD's Line and Lure it is a water base spray not oil like Real Magic it retails for $8.99 or $8.00 for GLBass.com members. If it does not work they will be MORE than happy to give you your money back for the Line and Lure, and the money the price of the Line!

It also work for GPS sceens, Sunglasses, ALL other types of Line even Braided Line. Check www.lineandlure.com Or PM me and I will mail you a bottle, or I will have it at the Grand Rapids Show.

Check this link out to the videos we have on LNL vs. Real Magic
Real Magic is a Oil base product and it counter acts with the sun and burns the line. http://lineandlure.com/media/videos/play/4/Reel_Magic_Will_It_Burn

[LGMOUTH]

 I have used seaguar for years on spinning. Their carbon pro was a good line but a little stiff, now there is invizx that is very limp and a very nice all around line then there is abrazx which is very very limp and very strong. I used the abrazx all of last year and invisx the years before and never had a problem with it coming off the spool. I have tried the vicious line but the only thing about that line is that 8lb is .011in and seaguars abrazx or invizx is .009 you have to get all the way up to 12lb in abrazx or invzx to get .011. Thats a big difference for 4lbs of strength.


Here are the two links to check out the size difference yourself.
http://www.vicious-fishing.com/vicious-line/fluorocarbon.html
http://www.seaguar.com/products/abrazx.htm

[McCarter]

San Dimas High School Football Rules

What???

[Potter]

How does a water based product stop line twist with FC line?  FC line does not absorb water correct? Hence no stretch.  The chemistry does not seem to work out.  I understand why it would potentially work with monofilament and cleaning.




Potter

[Cy]

I use 10 and 12 fluoro on casting gear for cranks and 15 and 17 on casting for jigs and plastics.  I use Power Pro with a fluoro leader on my spinning gear and straight 6 lb fluoro for drop shotting.  I have tried many of the fluoro lines, except the super expensive Japanese lines, on the market trying to find the one really like.  I tried the Vicious last year and did really like it, sorry Dan!  I thought it broke to easy, especially on the cast, I broke off several crank baits on the cast last year.  I like the Trilene 100%, particularly in the heavier lb tests.  I used it a lot last year and really like it.  Anything that Seaguar makes is good and performs well.  The Cabela's fluoro is a surprisingly good line for the money.  The BPS XPS fluoro is a great line, I just wish it was more available in retail stores, struggle to plan ahead far enough to order a bunch.

How does a water based product stop line twist with FC line?  FC line does not absorb water correct? Hence no stretch.  The chemistry does not seem to work out.  I understand why it would potentially work with monofilament and cleaning.

Potter

Potter, You are correct that fluoro doesn't absorb water, but fluorocarbon line stretches as much or more then mono.  Somewhere around 10% elongation.  The difference is the density, fluoro is considerably more dense the mono.  That's why it doesn't absorb water and why it sinks.  Density is also why bait feel is so much better then with mono.

Check out this http://www.tackletour.com/reviewfluorocarbon2.html and this http://www.tackletour.com/reviewfluorocarbontest.html for more information. 

Cy

[Waterfoul]

San Dimas High School Football Rules

What???

What... you've never seen Bill and Ted's Excellent Journey?

[fiker]

You are right Cy.  It seems to be a misconception of many that fluoro doesn't stretch.  I remember reading this a year or so ago.  Fluoro is more dense, and therefore more sensitive, but it does stretch some.   I'm not sure if it's the density that keeps it from absorbing water, or the chemical make up of the line.  Jack would probably know.  This kind of chemistry is right up his alley.

Because of the stretch, I switched from using all fluoro when fishing deep in the Channels of the St. Clair river.  The stretch, I think, tends to make it easier to get a bowed line in the current.   

I've been using a Power Pro/ fluoro leader set up for a couple of years now, and it seems to give me the best of both worlds.  I get the sensitivity and lack of twist of the braid, and the light index of fluoro.   With a 3' leader in shallow water, I don't worry about the sink rate of my stick worms.  They seem to do just fine getting down there.

I join the braid and fluoro together with a uni to uni knot, and finish it with a drop of super glue.  I can't remember ever having it break on me.

I use a similar set up with a drop shot.  I just use smaller diameter lines, and I usually join them with a quality swivel.  It keeps the bait from twisting.

I've also started using the KVD line conditioner.  This conditioner does  stick to the fluoro and lubricate it.   The line slides through the guides with a little less friction, and casts are a little longer. On bait casters, it helps to reduce back lashes as well.   I spray it on my braids too.  I hesitated for a couple of years to spend the money, but Jack Cahn let me try some of his last year, and I was sold.

Reel magic will actually soak into mono, but it won't on fluoro.   I still have some left from before, and I use it on the mono on my crank bait rod.  I just use it sparingly, and keep it on the line spool and off my reel as much as possible.

[gr@ssmonkey]

sunline fc sniper probably the the best line i've ever used,but is pricey,i think bps fc is as good but is hard for me to get on a regular basis,so seagar is what i've been using and love it,i never have a problem with fc and spinning reels(and i can say NEVER),i never use more than 10 lbs or i go to braid if i think i still need to use a spinning reel/rod,i use a reel that has a big spool(this is key) like a U.S reel 230,don't spool the line all the way to the rim,leave a fair depression so the lip of the spool is sticking past the line,use the kvd spray they talked about earlier(i'm not a scientist but been using it for 4 years and 1 little bottle lasts my 12 reels more then 1 season,don't take very much and 1 app. lasts all day will make u cast farther and with ease).........which way u put the line on your spool makes all the difference......i lay the spool on the ground so the coils are the same way there being spooled on the reel... i also all ways close the bail with my hand not the reel handle,everytime u use the reel handle u put a half turn of line twist in your line and last but not least make sure your lure is rigged pin straight and not twisting even when u go to reel your lure in to make another cast,u don't want it spinning.......if u get to the lake and are having problems(line jumping off) with no lure on drag your line behind the boat(the hole spools worth) for a couple minutes and u should have no problems...hope this helps......

with all that said just because of the price i tried some vicious 12lbs on my casting rod last year and loved it but want to try there 20 for flipping since the best test for me is the high impact shock of flipping hook sets,if it stands up to that i will be using vicious........anyone flipping with vicious??

[Ranger_Boats_Team_North]

How does a water based product stop line twist with FC line?  FC line does not absorb water correct? Hence no stretch.  The chemistry does not seem to work out.  I understand why it would potentially work with monofilament and cleaning.




Potter

Potter
Dan (Owner of GLBass.com) would be very upset if I posted how it works! So the best to know is to check out http://lineandlure.com/freshwater

[djkimmel]

Potter
Dan (Owner of GLBass.com) would be very upset if I posted how it works! So the best to know is to check out http://lineandlure.com/freshwater

Soon as I get a case of it from you to share with all the members, you can talk about it all you want...

[djkimmel]

I use P-Line HALO on my spinning reels for finesse pitching and tubes. Extremely happy with the sensitivity and especially the toughness. I've caught largemouth bass over 4 pounds out of thick weeds on it using a spinning rod with only 10 pounds test HALO. Very fun!

I use HALO quite a bit for tube fishing on the Great Lakes too. Again, the sensitivity, quick sink and toughness are important. Better hooksets on a long cast.

[bassassasin88]

Everyone should go back and read LGMOUTH's reply. The Seaguar Invisx is alot thinner in diameter. I learned that from Gerry Gostenik's seminar. I have never used it, but I think I will this year. He also stated he uses 8lb for both deep cranking and deep jerking. Has anyone seen the new Sufix deep crankin' line? It's sinking mono. I might try that out.